
Greetings Robins,
Well what a difference a day makes. Today I got another email this time from
Karen Newman. Apparently everything sent to her has survived and are starting to
pop out of the ground. The surprise though was a whopper of a surprise. Most if
not all my cultivars sent to Karen last year and the year before have emerged as
dormant. It will now be a matter of finding out which ones are photo-period
-(Light effected dormants), or temperature sensitive dormants.
After receiving the email with some starter details on my mom and my programs I
went to work. I looked over my records along with the records of other people
that have some of my plants to see the foliage differences if any. What I found
was shocking. I will now study this area for the rest of my hybridizing life,
but I have reached some immediate conclusions that I think 10 more years of
really focused examination from all my testers and us here at Avalonia will
discover definitively.
First example. AREA-51. I named this plant due to it sometimes has an evergreen
zipper type edge. It breaks up and zig-zags. It also produced every type of
colour, edge, form and many other really neat other traits such as lots of
sculpted, creped or poly kids. It really throws the gamut of effects and traits.
However now it has yet more mystery to add to it's name. Here is what it is
doing around the continent. If you own it or any of my other plants please send
me an email with any differences or comments you see. Foliage at the very least
would be very appreciated. I want to compile a list of stats on every cultivar I
ever release. I intend to write a very detailed report some time in the future
and the more opinions and data the better and more decisive the results. So here
it is.
AREA-51
Dallas Texas-photo period dormant
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada--My Garden- Sev
Florida-still waiting for data, but in two gardens, soon a third.--But so far
sounding evergreen--????
Zone 3 northern Ontario-Temperature sensitive dormant
Tennessee- Karen Newman's garden Delano Daylilies - sev
Ohio - sev
So ya!!!--are you getting this--WOW!!! Once cultivar doing both types of
dormancy. It also is going sev for sure--100% confirmed in two locations and
what so far has been said to look evergreen in two places in Florida. In other
words it is throwing every type of foliage a daylily can have--all in the same
plant. This next season should tell the tale for sure with Florida. I believe in
seeing the same results for several years with no deviation or change, before I
consider anything said and done. Time will tell though--of that I am sure.
So what is going on here. I will tell you what I believe is going on. As a
number of southerners I have listened to and taken their advice as gospel have
been saying they believed this theory for some years. I wanted to find out for
sure, and I think a few more years of the testing is going to be very telling.
What is going on I believe is I breed a southern cross every time to a northern
cross. I horse trade or buy old dormants to make my own dormant line. I then buy
most of my other breeding stock entirely from the south. I breed a dormant to an
evergreen or a semi evergreen nearly every time. Or so I thought. Apparently
both my mother and my line are tremendously dormant or carrying dormancy that
can instantly revert to what it deems the best environmental choice based on how
that plant perceives the summer season though the winter. I believe a cultivar
is deciding should I go dormant or trust that the evergreen genes will be enough
where I am is going on. Some plants planted in too late in the season do not
have months to identify just how bad the winter will be. Crosses not planted at
an appropriate time or that guess the environment wrong--such as freeze, thaw,
freeze thaw are destined to failure or a much less happy beginning. This would
also explain why some crosses such as J.T. DAVIS or a SABINE BAUER go dormant in
my garden--are slow to increase and establish--but when they do establish become
tall, bushy super breeders that become very vigorous given time.
They had just enough adaptability to hold on long enough to adjust to the
environment. It can take 3-5 years, but all of a sudden that cultivar that had
just enough will to adapt and survive become a happy camper--and may very well
instantly change foliage type if it existed in the background of the plant.
So when Larry Grace says he breeds to a dormant nearly every cross you are
seeing serious wisdom at work. When Pat says he does most of his buying from the
north and likes to add in as many dormants as he can--once again--Vision. And
when John Peat and Ted Petit say a plant is sev here and dormant there. Ding,
ding, ding. You guys really have it nailed. Theory is becoming fact. What great
times we live in.
Based on my initial research mixed with what I am seeing both in the north and
the south I would really advise southerners to trade with your amigos in the
south and buy from the north and blend them back and forth and reap the
benefits. For northerners the exact opposite--reverse the technology so to speak
and trade with northerners and buy from the southerners. Look over this list of
23 plants sent to Karen. Look at how many went dormant in the south--yet up here
are not. Even a few went sev instead of dormant. They are adapting--very nearly
instantly. The decision is being made within 1 season. If the plant gets it
wrong it is dead or a pathetic grower and you have another person doing a bad
blog on the robin or where ever about a plant being weak or non productive is
being slammed. We have been seeing southern plants from Petit, Peat and Stamile
go dormant more often than not. Most of Larry Grace's old line is dormant too.
Many of Frank Smith's are solid dormants. They only know when we tell them the
differences we see. Don't be a stranger. Email the hybridizers those neat
differences as you see them. The southern guys love knowing when they have a
dormant in their line to maximize their program for survivability coming north.
Look at what Pat has been doing with ROCK SOLID. That plant is the definition of
dormancy. Look up dormancy in the dictionary and there is ROCK SOLID staring you
back in the face.
The more you strengthen your line with both sets of traits--both cold loving
genes of the dormants--blended with the evergreen family the better. Now I have
to find out if the dormancy in the south is photo or temperature related. I am
willing to bet that most will be photo-period dormants. They are rising early
and I believe this is the sun moving closer to us and being higher in the sky.
The days are again lengthening and this is making them emerge from slumber. That
will tell a lot as well and give me and others time and we will figure this all
out. I have Karen Newman on our team and she misses nothing!!!
I take photos of all of our seedling beds every year. For the start of the
season when they emerge and then again when they go under or die back. I use
these photos to help identify what is truly a dormant from an evergreen or sev.
I have found this method very useful and leaves no room for error when you
register. I highly suggest hybridizers new to the game do stuff like this to
keep mistakes down to a minimum. Take enough photos of the beds over the week or
two so you see every seedling clearly in the digital photos. With zooming in on
the computer you have the ability to see ever plant and nametag. Oh and thanks
again to all that sent me photos and comments. Photos speak a thousand words. I
would never have believed some of the changes without the photos. I love this
game--so many surprises. It's one never ending giant Easter egg hunt.
To me the divide of north from south is ridiculous. We need to blend those two
distinct foliages back and forth forever. This is how we give them the best
chance of both survival and adaptability to travel the world over and flower as
good in Caen France as they do in Baton Rouge Louisiana. The foliage types are
chocolate and vanilla ice cream--sometimes you need to blend them together, add
a banana and some sprinkles and fudge and you have something so much better than
plain vanilla.
Here is the list
Name In Ottawa Canada In Tennessee
1. GLAMOROUS MOUSE SEV DOR
2. QUIRKS AND QUARKS SEV DOR
3. SIMPLY DELIRIOUS DOR SEV
4. AREA FIFTY- ONE SEV SEV
5. PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE DOR DOR
6. MAPLE LEAF FOREVER DOR DOR
7. TWICE IN A BLUE MOON SEV DOR
8. VIMY RIDGE SEV DOR
9. LORD VADER DOR DOR
0. I DREAM IN GREEN DOR DOR
11. HOWARD LEOPOLD MORRY DOR DOR
12. METROSEXUAL DOR SEV
13. POCKET CLOUD SEV DOR
14. LE HAMEL - DOR DOR
15. NOTHING RHYMES WITH ORANGE DOR DOR
16. GROOM LAKE SEV SEV
17. PETTY HARBOUR SEV DOR
18. UN-NAMED SEEDLING - DOR DOR
19. CREAMSICLE DOR DOR
20. SUN MOON STARS SEV DOR
21. THE SOMME DOR DOR
22. MARTHA'S GOOD THING DOR DOR
23. THOMAS GRAHAM MORRY DOR SEV
As you can see a number of cultivars have gone sev or dormant. They have adapted
to the very different environment and in many cases they remained the same
foliage. Many changed and did a 360 degree turn. To see more dormancy showing up
in the south is a real surprise. The old term you can't escape your genes is
true. I believe some of these plants have put in play a sort of defense
mechanism. The foreign garden was so alien from my own that the plants played
their trump card and went right to what for them was the most normal
defenses--the ability to go dormant. The plants in question have way more
dormancy bred into them compared to southern sev or evg genes, and maybe the
weaker less dominant southern genes were not enough to overtake the decision
making to go dormant as a defense or adaption route. Animals and plants the
world over adapt in such a manner. Why would or should hemerocallis be any
different. To quote Jurassic Park--"Life always finds a way".
What surprises me the most is that the natural defense mechanism to go dormant
in a less cold environment means something like the plant only had this basic
set of genes to fight with and as it's best hand it played it. Comfort feels
right so the plant did what felt comfortable and natural. I used old world
dormant genes to make up my dormant line. They are tuff as nails Khlem's and
Marsh's, and Benz's, and Harris's work. These are the toughest never kill me old
world dormants. The dormant genes are 1970's-1980 level of complexity. That is
old in daylily terms with a generation every 9 months to 3 years at worst case
scenario. That is rapid evolution going on. However these old dormants have less
radical and southern blended lines behind them. I picked them for a purpose--to
be the Rock of Gibraltar for surviving cold and adapting to whatever winter
could throw at me. They have never failed me and apparently they have hidden
qualities I didn't initially give them credit for. I won't make that
underestimation again. I forgot rule number 4 of good breeding--Always assume
that the problem or area you are focusing on is more difficult and complicated
than you believed or gave it credit for being. Such a simple rule but one I both
made up and have lived by for 25 years of breeding.
Karen Newman, my mother and myself and a few others will now really dig deep
into the testing and will run specs on every cultivar and look over the
differences and fluxuations--over many future years. Flower size, petal width,
height, and much more will now be put under the microscope so to speak.
Mix up the breeding north to south, east to west guys. Force adaption. Do not
become isolationists. Be greedy and steal those ideal plant habits and blend
them to your own. No country should be discounted. Buy the Australian cultivars
and blend them to a good Ohio dormant. Breed your Scandinavian best red to that
incredible new ruffly Petit. Breeding with plants made up entirely within your
microclimate or zone is going to ensure your plants survive very few gardens
outside of your own. Dormants do survive in Florida. They just had to come out
of southern stock, blended to that northern dormant. I have lost nothing so far
in the south, less SUN MOON STARS, that rotted in Dallas. I will replace that
plant to Chris as I believe now that I probably cut or divided it poorly. I
doubt it would die again.
To find out Sun Moon Stars is going dormant in Tennessee is such a wonderful
surprise. I used it like mad. I used it as a sev with Floridian influence behind
it--so it met dormants. Now I have to really look over all it's kids and see how
many dormants I have made with it. Just because it isn't going dormant in my
garden doesn't mean it isn't breeding a ton of them in my garden. I intend to
run with the ball. I will go deep as one can go into proving what I now believe.
For me it's in stone. I just have to make sure. Years and evaluating 100 plants
will give decisive results. I will keep you posted.
I would really like to see what is going on state to state, country to country
and city to city. There are fluxuations everywhere. Anyone that has one of my
cultivars feel free to email me with comments on foliage or differences you see
from my specs if you ever get a chance. I would love to add them to my bookwork
and get to the heart of the mystery. The more data I have the better.
Another thing I should mention is a great number of southern crosses we have
bought or been given have become dormants up here. The exact reverse in some
cases is happening here. Some plants they call dormants are sev here. Plants
really do have a plan of their own and it's up to us to figure out what they
like or prefer to how they adapt and perform through varying temperatures and
other possible fluxuations. My point is you cannot really any longer bash a
hybridizer or a plant based on results from one garden or even a state. A plant
may have 1 variable that it is looking for that your garden just doesn't have
going for it and it is enough to doom that plant. Your neighbor 3 blocks away
may grow it beautifully. Soil, shelter, fertilizer and sweat and hard work
keeping your beds free of debris and weeds could effect more than you believe.
Walk lightly and carry a big stick. Make subtle changes to anything you do that
is different or new and do it with knowledge based on fact not hear say.
Only time will tell if it's mean average winter temperature--light
levels--barometric pressure--or what something else completely unexpected is
controlling what a plant does and how to predict more effectively its behaviour.
It is likely a combination of 2 or more factors, but there is without a doubt a
formula. There always is a formula. Based on everything I have seen the right
philosophy is the south's philosophy of breed a good northern plant to a good
southern plant as often as you can get away with is quite true. No wonder
Florida is the Mecca of our beloved flower. Those guys have it all figured out.
Even if they don't tell you it or even know it themselves 100%--they are doing
it right. Whatever it was--hunch or solid knowledge they are right and we as
northerners need to reverse the technology and buy those Peat's, Pickles,
Waldrop's, Petit's, Smith's, Grace's, Agin's, Maddox's out there and blend them
to our dormants. We need them and they need us. Don't you want your line in as
many gardens as possible? This is the route. Bank on it. Adapt or be crushed
under the wheel. It is the law of nature and the universe.
Ciao All,
Mick Morry
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
AHS Region 4-Zone 4b/5-Where daylilies are always on the mind.
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